Moonbat: Oz Turkish Muslims are different

July, 2007

Australian academic Dr Liza Hopkins finds exactly the wrong time to tell us that Australian Muslims of Turkish descent are a different breed, and need not be feared. You may get a headache from her verbosity ...

Her concern with the media Muslim stereotype:

"... media representations have contributed to the construction of a spurious link between a homogenised Islamic community and a cultural tendency to violence and crime ... Using Islam as a category to describe a singular social group within multicultural society is therefore problematic."
And Australian Turkish Muslims should be exempt from this stereotype because:
"It has been argued that one of the longest-standing Muslim self-definitions is through belonging to a global community of believers. But for members of Australia’s Turkish community ... whose Muslim identity is subordinate to national, cultural and ethnic affiliations - networks of family and friends based around shared language, history, culture and descent override the importance of religion that is attributed to them by outsiders ...

Much of the recent public commentary on the nature of Muslims in Australia is debunked by comments made by young Turkish-Australians. They actively resist being categorised as Muslim-Australians, even while acknowledging their own Muslim beliefs ...

It is clear that for these young people, cultural or ethnic identity is much stronger than religious identity. Although they are articulate about preserving their heritage and language, these traditions are seen to be firmly Turkish, with cultural rather than religious significance.

Perhaps because of Turkey’s fierce historic commitment to national secularism young Turks have no difficulty in separating their religious beliefs or non-beliefs from their Turkish cultural traditions and in seeing the traditions that they value as being Turkish rather than Islamic. It is quite clear that these young people, while acknowledging their Muslim heritage, have no interest in, or commitment to, a larger national, supranational or global community of Muslims.

Research with Turkish Australians has shown that the discourse around Muslim-Australians which constructs a singular, hybrid category on the basis of residence and religion is actively resisted by at least some of those very people to which it has been ascribed."
Dear Liza Hopkins,

All well and good, kudos to young Aussie Turks for having minds of their own. They perhaps don't deserve the stereotype for crime and violence that other Muslim groups have created for them.

However, as Turkey is in the process of throwing out Kemalism, it shows that Oz Turkish Muslims offer us no protection against creeping Islamisation. You have taken a small Muslim sample here in Australia, and extrapolated (I know you like big words) that their descendants will likewise be harmless. If Turkey can teach us anything, it is that moderate Muslims can be the forerunner for radicals, whether they intend it or not.

It is ironic that the moment you attribute Turkey’s "fierce historic commitment to national secularism" to Aussie Turks, is the moment it is being extinguished in Turkey. You failed to explain why this won't be repeated here in Australia.

Grade: F - tried hard, well intended, but misguided, please hand back your PhD after class.

More: Online Opinion, Aus Policy Online


Colonel Robert Neville said...

Dear Abandon Skip, there was an article in 'The Age' about peculiar Turkey...

Pete: "This bloke came up to me and said he found an article in 'the Age". Dud: "Oh,yeah? Arsehole?"

Pete: "Yes if you are referring to his designation and assigned status as priori an 'Age' reader, that is a reader of the said 'Age' newspaper". Dud: "Oh sorry, a shitbag then". Pete: "Thankyou".

Anyway, the article particle seemed to show that secularism is pretty thin in Turkey, maybe even thinner than Peter Garrets hidden ladies vestments.

That the secular party in power even has a slogan along the lines of 'Democracy is a train we ride until we get to the station'. Ie: next stop Islamic Crazytown. I'll try and hunt it down. All the best

Abandon Skip said...

Yep, I heard that one:

Erdogan is reputed to have said once that democracy was “like a train which you get off when you reach your destination” - an utterance often trotted out by opponents who suspect him of wanting to impose an Islamic state.

And the other day he said:

Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

The Islamists are begging the army to intervene. The president's wife wearing a headscarf is a symbolic victory. If the army doesn't stop that, Turkey is gone.

Abandon Skip said...

Take 2:

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