Peace with Muslims - Indian style

Aug 2005, VFR Indian reader:

I have always wanted to write about this to you. How is it that India has a massive Muslim population and yet manages to get along with relative calm? Many leftists/liberals in the West could misuse that example to say: “Look, Muslims aren’t trouble. India has 150 million Muslims!”. The way peace is maintained in India is by fear of mob fury. Muslims in India are generally peaceful because they know that if they stretch the limits of Hindu tolerance and kill people, Hindu mobs would descend upon them with a fury that would kill many more Muslims. This is fundamentally the way in which peace in a relative sense is maintained in India – by fear of violent retribution. A good example is a Muslim attack on a train of Hindu pilgrims in 2002. They burnt 50 Hindu women and children alive. Inevitably, in retaliation, violent Hindu mobs killed 2000 Muslims.

It is barbaric and it is brutal. The mentality that we witness is from the age of barbarism. But that is how peace is actually maintained. I have a feeling that if Hindus were more “civilized” like Westerners and played everything by the book, the Muslims would probably run riot with no end in sight. They don’t because they know that the majority could turn blood-thirsty at any moment. And so relative peace is maintained ...

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And the lesson for Australia is, not a call to arms, but to think twice before inviting a large Muslim population into your country - if this is the end result of relations.

UK: Vicar attacked for 'being a Christian'

16th March 2008, Daily Mail:

A vicar was in hospital last night after being attacked in his churchyard by two youths in what is being treated as a 'faith hate' crime.

Canon Michael Ainsworth, 57, was kicked and punched in the head as one of the attackers screamed "f***ing priest".

He was left lying on the ground with deep cuts, bruising and two black eyes.

The attack took place in the early evening after Canon Ainsworth politely asked three Asian youths who had gathered in the churchyard to quieten down ...

The incident happened outside St George-in-the-East Church in Wapping, East London.

It has regularly had windows smashed by youths - who on one occasion shouted: "This should not be a church, this should be a mosque."

Canon Ainsworth, a father of four, was taken to hospital and discharged after treatment, but was readmitted after a relapse.

The church is situated in the heart of Tower Hamlets where the majority of the population - some 57 per cent - belong to black and ethnic minority groups.

A third are of a Bangladeshi background.

In another attack on the church, families were showered with glass when a brick was thrown through a window during a service ...

The Reverend Alan Green, Area Dean for Tower Hamlets, said it was the latest in a series of "faith hate" crimes in the borough ...

"He was kicked and punched in the head as he lay on the ground, I believe that what was shouted was 'you f***ing priest' before they attacked him.

"He's still in hospital because he lost a lot of blood following the attack ...

Tower Hamlets has a population of 227,000 and a high proportion of 20 to 34-year-olds ...

An island in the middle of a Muslim community:

Thomas Beckett, 50, said: “I have heard that this church is an island in the middle of a Muslim community ...” ...

Nick Tolson, a former police officer who set up the National Churchwatch safety scheme, said that there had been an increase in faith hate attacks on clergy.

“The harassment is usually coming from young Asian men – often, but not exclusively, Muslim,” he said. “The police and prosecutors will classify an attack on a mosque or Muslim as a hate crime but not if it is a church or a vicar. These aren’t targeted attacks, they are spontaneous, but [the victims] are being singled out because of their faith and should be dealt with in the same way as other members of the community.”

50% attacked in past 12 months:

A survey of London clergy by National Churchwatch, which provides personal safety advice, found that nearly half said they had been attacked in the previous 12 months. The organisation suggested that vicars should consider taking off their dog collars when they are on their own.

So Afghan heroes can't wear their uniforms in the UK, and now priests can't wear their dog collars. Sure smells like dhimmitude.

Will they soon be on the church roof, Kosovo style?


Lawrence Auster's comments:
- The shocking, part-of-a-pattern, random, deliberate, drunken, religiously motivated, tension-caused, not-to-be-publicized-because-it-may-cause-tensions beating of Anglican clergyman
- Contemptible Britain

Turkey: prosecutor moves to ban ruling party

Mar 14, 2008, AFP:

Turkey's chief prosecutor on Friday accused the country's president and prime minister of undermining secularism and moved to ban them from politics and to prohibit their Islamist-rooted party.

Abdurrahman Yalcinkaya, chief prosecutor of the court of appeals, submitted his case against the Justice and Develomment Party (AKP) to the Constitutional Court, the latter's president Hasim Kilic said.

"Attached... is a demand that 71 individuals be banned from political activity," Kilic said, adding that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, a former AKP member, topped the list.

The constitutional court has yet to say whether it will agree to hear the complaint, which charges that the AKP has become a focal point for attempts to overturn the strictly secular ethos that underlies Turkey's constitution.

The AKP, whose roots in a now-banned Islamist movement have sown fear among secularist circles, branded the case as a blow to democracy and said it would "continue its fight for democracy with determination" ...

The prosecutor's move is the latest round in the AKP's bitter battle with Turkey's secular forces -- among them the army, the judiciary and academia -- which has raged since the party came to power in 2002.

Secularists accuse the party of having a secret plan to introduce religious rule in the mainly Muslim country. The AKP rejects the charges and says it is fully committed to secularism ...

Details of the prosecution's case were not officially available, but media reports said easing the on-campus restrictions on the headscarf and failed AKP attempts to limit the sale of alcohol were presented as evidence.

Prosecutor Yalcinkaya had previously warned he would oppose the headscarf change, which he alleged was intended "to alter the secular character of our republic".

The constitutional court has in the past banned several of Islamist parties, among them the Welfare Party of Turkey's first Islamist Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan, who used to be Erdogan's mentor.

Judges will start studying the indictment against the AKP on Monday to decide whether to accept the case, Hasim Kilic said ...

AKP In Shock:

AKP is in a state of shock, having learned of the filing of 1000 page long indictment by Turkey’s top prosecutor to close down the party. PM Erdogan learned about the indictment when he was in the party headquarters and currently he is having an emergency meeting with law experts within his party.

According to media reports the indictment includes the request to ban AKP leaders from politics and details all the anti-secular activities, correspondence, communications and statements of AKP leaders and their interactions with Islamist sects, movements and organizations.

Process Begins On Monday:

Soon after yesterday's filing of an indictment by Chief Prosecutor demanding to close down the ruling party [AKP], the head of the High Constitutional Court Hasim Kilic spoke briefly to reporters. He said that the file was received and the legal process would begin on Monday. He said that the process will be similar to the ones that ended up with the closure of two Islamist parties of Necmettin Erbakan before: Refah (Welfare) Party in 1998, and Fazilet (Virtue) Party in 2001 - both of which were President Gul’s and PM Erdogan’s former parties ...

Previous government of Bulent Ecevit had passed a law in 2001 that made the closing down of political parties more difficult, by making an absolute majority of court members necessary. Therefore seven out of the 11 justices of the Constitutional Court will have to vote “yes” for AKP to close down.

"Judicial Move Against The People, Not AKP":

Erdogan told the cheering crowd that AKP was founded by the people’s will and only the people could close it down. He said ... “Nobody can say that the AKP is hotbed of anti-secularism”. He said that those who were responsible for this disgrace would bear the consequences; and would live in shame. Erdogan said that no storm could deter AKP from its march and nobody had the power to stop them.

Erdogan Attacks Judiciary With Koranic Verse:

The PM slammed the judiciary for the “unfortunate” indictment and as the audience booed he silenced them and added, “Some people have eyes but they don’t see, they have ears and they don’t hear, they have tongues but don’t speak the truth”. Erdogan’s words were taken from the Koranic verse of the A’Raf sura that says, “Be it known that we created some men to be sent to hell. Those have hearts that don’t feel, they have eyes but they don’t see, they have ears but they don’t hear […] They are like animals, even more confused [than animals]. They are the real ignorant”.

Sanliurfa is PM Erdogan’s next stop in the mainly Kurdish southeast Turkey where AKP and Islamist sects – including Fethullah Gulen’s network – are busy Islamizing the region. Increased religiosity has helped AKP gain much of the votes in this region in the last general elections.

Stuck in a loop: elect an Islamic party, ban an Islamic party, elect another Islamic party, ban it ...

Meanwhile, Muslim fundamentalists continue to outbreed the secular. How long before the judiciary and military is Islamicised? And then where will you be? Up the proverbial creek without an Ataturk to paddle you out ...

Via Jihad Watch

And recently, in Spain, Erdogan said on the headscarf issue:

"Even if turban is worn as a political symbol, wearing a political symbol cannot be considered a crime. Can symbols and signs be banned? Where else in the world is there such a ban? It is now banned in a country where the population is 99% Muslim. We will solve this problem in the shortest time possible."